Nuclear Power: The Begining, or the End.....

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:21 pm

To the small town of Chernobyl, both. In doing my research for my RP, I came across this..... Several pages of the worst nuclear accident in history, and of the wreckage left.....

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

If someone could translate the signs it would be appreiciated....

Chalgrish · Post by **Chalgrish** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:08 pm

I can't stay silent about this...

Chernobyl was a one-in-a-million chance. If you must know, noone died from radiation. It hasn't even been proven that radiation can harm you. In fact, several scientists believe it's beneficial to the health of an individual. It causes increased performance in all areas of the human body, and the positives far outweigh the negatives. In order for something on the scale of a nuclear reactor to fail, the control rods would have to be up for several days, perhaps weeks. Chernobyl was caused mostly by steam, and although high amount of radiation spread into Europe, radiation we get in huge doses every day. Ever heard of the sun? yep.

Kojack · Post by **Kojack** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:18 pm

Nuclear energy is the wave of the future. Just like any energy source that man has harvested, there will be accidents and there will be deaths. But like Chalgrish said, Chernobyl was a one-in-a-million chance. Rest assured, Jishdefish, nuclear energy will not be the end of the world. But in-turn, nuclear energy is the beginning of a new age.

LoyalReaperDragon · Post by **LoyalReaperDragon** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:51 pm

chernobyl happened because the russians running the power station didn't work properly, sure there was radiation and junk but overall only a few people died. one engineer was in the explosion and guess what? he survied! and he was right there
the only time some one as died from radiation is with the atomic bombs over japan.
the 3 mile inland nuclear disastor in the USA was also no big deal, the people that died were killed by explosions and control rods bursting out and nailguning them to the wall.
over all nuclear power is important as long as we monitor it and make sure that the waste does not cause to much trouble

Post by **vampirehunter42** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:00 am

Ok:
pg 4: The sign says "Chernobyl" I can't make out the other word.

pg 5: I can't make out what they say. The pic is running the letters together.

pg 8: Once again "Chernobyl", I think it is the welcome to sign.

pg 9: The banner in the first is posting about the free drinks. I can't translate it word for word. I haven't taken Russian for a couple of years now. The other, once again I am not trying to strain my eyes to work out what the weathered signs say. But I would guess they say as the writer says. Vote in this room and free drinks in this one.

pg 10: I think that is the name of the place. Pronounced "Chaes" with a soft 'a' and 'e'.

pg 12: Another name "Pr'epat" (roll the ').

pg 13: The banner is an easy guess, motorcycle. The other is as she says a sales sticker for a chezet motorcycle. One of their brands I guess.

pg 25: The top is "trouble" The other I don't know. The rest is telling the kids what to do when there is trouble.

Well with time I may be able to get more but the letters of the pics are a little faded on top of the images not being that clear. But only if you really need them.

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:36 pm

Okay Chal, why don't you read ALL the chapters. Oh and comic books arn't exactly good for you....

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:42 pm

Okay Chal, why don't you read ALL the chapters. Oh and comic books arn't exactly good for you.... The sun's radiation goes through MILLIONS of miles of cold space, and then it is filtered through the atmosphere. Ever hear of skin cancer? That is caused by the SUN!! For a teacher you ain't so bright(Hehe... pun ^_^). Humans can withstand low amounts of radiation but given the right concentration or intensity it can fry you.

LoyalReaperDragon · Post by **LoyalReaperDragon** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:52 pm

i things its like 120 reteas(w/e its called) is how much a averge human can withstand before they sucumb to radiation posioning/sickness/death

Chalgrish · Post by **Chalgrish** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:38 pm

Space is empty! Nothing in there! And the atmosphere filters about 10 percent of that radiation, the clouds five percent, maybe 10 percent, any large massive structures have about 20 percent, which means on a good day, we still get 65 percent of that radiation. What you fail to realize is that the sun produces UV, microwave, some radio, and definitely visible light. Very little radiation that can in itself kill you is produced. Let me put this in laymans terms. A foot and a half away from a radiation source, almost all danger is gone. Distance= safety. All this together basically means that the "deadly radiation" (oh my god, we're all gonna die!) is a half-truth. For reference, a certain black sand beach (known for its invigorating/healing qualites) has about 12,120 millirem. A nuclear reactor produces only twice that. Essentially, it's not safe to live on top of those reactors, but people handle them every day, and nuclear reactors produce about a quarter of the energy I'm using to type this post.

LoyalReaperDragon · Post by **LoyalReaperDragon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:29 pm

also it seems that the only really bad radiation wave is gamma rays

Kojack · Post by **Kojack** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:42 pm

Correct me if Im wrong here Chalgrish but skin cancer is only caused by UV Rays Jishdefish. 1/3 of UV Rays are filtered out as they travel from the sun to your skin. UV Rays type A and B cause skin cancer, type C is filtered out. That is why people would want the type of sun block that has the highest UV protection.

My source for the skin cancer issue can be found at:
http://www.aicr.org.uk/skincancerfaqs.s ... ce=Adwords

If you want to read it yourself.

Post by **Tempest** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:35 pm

I am not able to read russian, so I can't really help with the signs

LoyalReaperDragon wrote:also it seems that the only really bad radiation wave is gamma rays

It is broader than that. All ionizing radiation are bad for your health. Granted a source of alpha particles used in smoke detector won't travel more than a few inch of air. However, if your food is contaminated with radioactive material emitting alpha particles, then the radiation does reach you from the inside.

Here the list of the sources of radiactivity exposition for a typical American:
54% Radon
11% X Rays (medical exams)
11% Natural, Internal (radioactive material normally inside your body)
8% Cosmic (mostly from outer space, some from the sun)
8% Terrestrial (rocks and soil)
4% Nuclear Medicine (such as Thyroid scan)
3% consumer product (TV, smoke detector)
1% Others

So your greatest exposure from ionizing radiation is from radon. Radon emits alpha particles and comes from the natural breakdown of uranium in soil, rock and water. There are small amounts almost everywhere in the Earth's crust. Radon is especially dirty; it is a gas but the decay products are solids (Polonium, Lead, and Bismuth) which tend to collect on dust in the air. Problem arises when these elements stick to the delicate cells lining the passageways leading into the lungs. Have I mentioned that the primary routes of potential human exposure to radon are inhalation and ingestion?

Chalgrish wrote:For reference, a certain black sand beach (known for its invigorating/healing qualites) has about 12,120 millirem.

I am not sure what they do with this sand or what are the "healing" properties but it should be noted that 12,120 mrems (or 12 rems) is not an insignificant dose of radiation but not that great either. Under normal conditions, the legal limit to which members of the public may be exposed over the course of an entire year is half of a rem (it varies from country to country). 250 rems (or 250,000 mrems) is called the "LD50" (lethal dose 50). If a group of humans is each exposed to 250 rems whole body radiation, it is anticipated that 50 percent of them will die of "radiation sickness" within 30 days.
<tt>(ref: Nuclear Power and the Environment, Sixth Report of the. Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution, HMSO, September 1977).</tt>
Some recent studies put the LD50 to 400 rems.

Dragonobsesie · Post by **Dragonobsesie** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:26 am

YEY Celerfield!!!

Firuweata · Post by **Firuweata** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:54 pm

My fort'e isn't in this feild, but hey, I've gotten many to believe what I've said before...

Gamma is the most penetrable, as it usually has to be stopped by lead. However, if consumed, it is comparitivly the least dangerous, as it doesn't stay with the body as long as alpha or beta...

Beta is the second most penetrable, and can be stopped by thick cardboard. however it will stay in the body about as long as alpha...

Alpha can be stopped by cloth, but will stay in the body the longest...

And radiation can be good for some treatments, such as keimo (sp) and some pain therapies. However, in a situation not under a professionals supervision, radiation can be dangerous. There are several cases of deaths by radation, including one in Russia where campers slept next to these warm barrels, and started feeling sick. After a few hours exposure one of the campers was killed, and the others suffered many permanet ailments...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:59 pm

I really don't want to spark off an arguement but I was looking through the posts and someone (I can't remember who) said that it was the fault of personnel in charge of the rods at Chernobl.That is not true.They weren't actually told what could happen should something go wrong and weren't even trained properly and their superiors didn't tell what one party what the others were doing.And the part about radiation not lethal?not in small amounts,yes it can help to a certain point,but the men working with the reactor rods were burned by the resulting nuclear explosion so badly that in the following days,one man said he got up and all of the flesh on his leg fell off,leaving the bone exposed.The others were in sheer agaony they died anyway.And the people of Chernobl were killed as they fled during the days after by the radiation.Not the explosion,the radiation.After a few years,the Russian president pardonned the personnel (quietly)because it wasn't their fault.I watched a documentary on it.I was extremely upset about it.
And if Radiation is harmless,why aren't pregnant mothers allowed to have MRI scans?you tell me.

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:23 pm

But then there is the possibility to use Nuclear Fission to explore the galaxy... for no other lasting tecknology has surfaced.....

Firuweata · Post by **Firuweata** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:00 am

Fission does seem better. It leaves no waste and more energy is provided than needed to put in. (This does not violate the conservation of energy, as the mass is converted to energy)...

However, it requires extreme temperatures. Star extreme. The only thing we have as of yet that can contain those temperatures is a magnetic field. However, every time a fission experiment is attempted, a breech in the field occurs. (Like Doc Oc's device, only less violent and not as sci-fi looking).

As for space travel, we are not limited by our energy as much as our speed. If the nearest star is 4 light years away, going at even ten percent the speed of light 18,628.2397 miles a second, it would take 40 years to reach Proxima Centauri, and we don't even know if life surrounds that star.(Kryptonite exploded). Then, after exploring who knows what, another 40 year journey back...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:43 pm

Kryptonite?like in superman?

Firuweata · Post by **Firuweata** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:19 am

Yeah, don't you remember? It was all over the news papers in the '50's...

The explosion of the planet was so great that it actually caused the year 1953 to never have existed. People have memories of this time, but they were implanted there so as not to know what really happened. ..

I visited this year, and I was greeted only by a holographic recording of a young man that said "I'm sorry, the year you have specified is currently offline. If you would like to check back next year, please leave and return at that point in time. If you have any questions, please notify us at Erbert & Frolum Industries, located at 7 convenient locations outside the physical universe"...

Anyway, yeah, Kryptonite from Superman...

Chalgrish · Post by **Chalgrish** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:54 am

The CORRECT term for what you're talking about is fusion. The problem with it is that without extremely powerful magnets, doing this inside of a gravitational field is near-impossible.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:29 pm

erm..Firuweata?
I'm13 years old!I don't even remeber the 90's,let alone the 50's...

LoyalReaperDragon · Post by **LoyalReaperDragon** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:01 pm

fission is the spliting of atoms, fusion is the fusing of atoms

Chalgrish · Post by **Chalgrish** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:51 pm

hence the word FUSion...

Firuweata · Post by **Firuweata** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:43 am

Blackhawk: I'm not either. However I have two words for you. TIME MACHINE. As in get one. As in, don't mistake it for a food, and put peanut butter on it...

Everyone else: Think of Dragon Ball Z. The fussion dance joins two people as one. The fission dance (which I just made up) splits one people into two...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:47 pm

I don't eat peanut butter.But I don't have the luck of posessing a Time machine either.
Maybe I could borrow the T.A.R.D.I.S from Dr.Who..

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