I wonder.....

dpbj602 · Post by **dpbj602** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:09 pm

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Could the Dragons actually be Dinosaurs? seeing as how there were no "Dinosaurs" before 1841 when the word was invented but perhaps Dinosaurs existed and were called Dragons? Now of course who wants to live next door to a humongous animal no matter what its diet? most of these dinosaurs were hunted to extinction in the 4000 years after Noah's flood in the christian bible for their meat and for people who wanted to be a hero for generations....now of course there are probably under 50-100 "Dragons" or "Dinosaurs" left in the world but could they be the sea monsters of Loch Ness? and many other lakes?

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:14 pm

-_- nothing lives in Loch Ness.....

dpbj602 · Post by **dpbj602** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:46 pm

Aiolos wrote:-_- nothing lives in Loch Ness.....

did you search every square inch of Loch ness? You cannot deny the many numerous sightings of this, one of the last remaining dinosaurs

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:55 pm

No, but it is scientificly impossible for anything larger than a horse to survive in Loch Ness. If you believe something hard enough, you'll see it. I did a project on lake monsters for a science assignment at school, and came across this wonderful website. It convinced me that NOTHING lives in Loch Ness. Not even a dragon could survive in it. http://www.plesiosaur.com/lochness.php

I encourage you to read that. After you have, give me three logical explinations of the Loch Ness Monster.

dpbj602 · Post by **dpbj602** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:29 pm

Aiolos wrote:No, but it is scientificly impossible for anything larger than a horse to survive in Loch Ness. If you believe something hard enough, you'll see it. I did a project on lake monsters for a science assignment at school, and came across this wonderful website. It convinced me that NOTHING lives in Loch Ness. Not even a dragon could survive in it. http://www.plesiosaur.com/lochness.php

I encourage you to read that. After you have, give me three logical explinations of the Loch Ness Monster.

Do you know the physiology of supposedly "extinct" dinosaurs? How they lived? Perhaps they were much different types of reptiles but they did NOT go extinct millions of years ago, that is the only thing i see wrong with how they explain it, they are biased to believe evolution and completely discard creation, which is a completely credible theory. You know nothing about the biology of Dragons/Dinosaurs and therefore by that site cannot make the assumption that the plesiosaur can not live in Loch Ness, You know nothing of their Lung Capacity, or the time it takes to breathe, the sightings of said monster were most likely of when they came up for air. Get an unbiased site that looks at it both ways, through Creationism and Evolution and i may read it thoroughly.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:28 am

look, nothing could live in loch ness its to small to hold anything that big its probably just a giant eel since they are in all of the lakes surrounding loch ness so they are probably in the loch ness.
I once watched this thing on tv which was about these scientists who did a experiment i loch ness.
what they did was they used an ordinary, plain brown, plank of wood and they put it behind a bush in the loch ness with a wieght and a bit of string on it.when a boat of tourists came by they pulled the string and the bit of wood came up above the bush and bobbed about and then they pulled it back down again.When they asked those boat of tourists EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM(and can i just say there was about 100)thought they had seen the loch ness and some people swore on there lives that it was green with scales.
Becuase people hear that there is a monster in loch ness they saw the plank of wood as what they expected to see.Most of the sightingsof the loch ness monster were probably misinterpritations of something like a piece of wood or an eel.

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:54 am

THANK you Akira!

dpbj602: What does Nessie eat? How has there been enough of it to last millions of years in such a small, isolated area? How HAS Nessie survived for millions of years? How did something as big as Nessie avoid all of the scans in Loch Ness? Why are there SO MANY different descriptions of her? Why do some people claim she looks like a dragon, and other like a cross between a fish and a camel? Please, answer these.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:12 pm

also there would have to be at least seven of these creatures in loch ness just for them to be able to reproduce since it is highly unlikly that one would survive so long so if there was something in lochness there would have to be at least seven.

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:19 pm

Exactly what that website said. It's impossible for anything to survive for millions of years, so there would have to be more than one of them. And Loch Ness isn't large enough to hold a family of sea creatures, and doesn't have enough life (e.g., fish) to sustain them.

dpbj602 · Post by **dpbj602** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:11 pm

Aiolos wrote:...It's impossible for anything to survive for millions of years, ...

But the website fails to see the creation side of things. The earth is only 6000 years old according to the bible. I challenge you to find a site that sees both sides.

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:12 pm

Ok, but why are there things that date back more than 6000 years?

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:48 pm

Okay one problem: What started this idea of a sea creature in lock ness? Maybe the creature did exist when humans were first on the coast and one of them saw it and then a few more people saw it, enough for it to be credible, then the creature died and it's spirit lived on through the very idea of it existing.......

It is idiotic to declare anything extinct. Or superior. We are far from exploring this planet completly. Anything could exist in the depths of the sea to the tops of volcanoes. We will never catalog EVERY living thing to live and die on this planet. So...... GET OVER IT!

+ Silver - Orbs + · Post by **+ Silver - Orbs +** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:08 am

Jishdefish wrote:We will never catalog EVERY living thing to live and die on this planet. So...... GET OVER IT!

Jishy - no need to yell, i think we got the point

Good point though, after all, if bugs outnumber us..what else could be?

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:05 am

dpbj602 wrote:But the website fails to see the creation side of things. The earth is only 6000 years old according to the bible. I challenge you to find a site that sees both sides.

The bible dousnt actually state that the earth is 6000 years old people just asume it is by trying to work it out. It does not say ANYWERE in the bible that the earth is 6000 years old. I believe that god created everything but i also believe that he created evolution or adaptation.

+ Silver - Orbs + · Post by **+ Silver - Orbs +** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:33 am

And you missed out all the Otherkin, Therians and Weres (dragons of course) that are running about the place

Draocnity ringin' a bell?

Otherkin - something other than human, whether physically (in the case of vampires/vampyres and physical werewolves [yes, we do exist]), mentally, spiritually or astrally

Therians - someone who has an animal spirit, or has a strong spiritual/mental connection with that animal

Were - a shifter. Whether phantom (phantom limbs, tail, wings ect), physical (mild hormonal changes) or mental/astral.

These people can also be classed as dragons, depending on which of those three classes they fall into and how strong their beliefs are.

There's my thoughts, feel free to discect

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:43 pm

Extremely confused

+ Silver - Orbs + · Post by **+ Silver - Orbs +** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:56 pm

well i thought i explained it pretty well

i can find bucketloads of info on these if you'd like

Flyingwolf · Post by **Flyingwolf** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:21 pm

the rumor of the loch ness monster started sometime during 1913 or something like that, a man confessed that he and a friend drove a kind of submarine and made it look like a monster.

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:34 pm

Actually, there are stories from a long time ago about a monster living in Loch Ness. Yes, I believe there WAS a 'Loch Ness Monster', but it is surely dead by now.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:13 pm

Why do you presume it is dead? turtles can live up to like 200, so a serpent could live longer or it couldve given birth.

Aiolos · Post by **Aiolos** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:29 pm

-_- Loch Ness is NOT big enough to support a family of sea serpents. For millions of years, there would have to be a family of at LEAST seven to avoid the problem of inbreeding, and there is not enough food to support them, it's not big enough to support them, and why the hell would they want to be in there in the first place? PLUS, they've scanned the whole of Loch Ness MULTIPLE times, and, unless there is some HUGE underground cave system beneath the loch (which is highly unlikely), I don't see how an entire population of 'monsters' could go undetected.

Let's just say there WAS a population of monsters in loch ness. You have to admit, at least one would have to have died by now. And so, it would sink to the bottom of the loch and decompose. Eventually, by some reason I don't remenber, it would float to the surface, and probably wash up on shore. Why hasn't anyone found a dead sea monster body from the loch?

They have to breath eventually, and sightings usually occure months apart. Are you saying that these monsters have a lung capacity large enough to allow them to stay submurged for MONTHS?! If there was any sort of creature in Loch Ness, we'd see it at least every other day.

Now, I'm only argueing against Nessie. I'm all for Champ and Ogopogo, and I don't doubt that there are others.

Post by **vampirehunter42** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:01 am

dpbj602 wrote:Warning, The following message contains information that is controversial to many. Do not say you haven't been warned

Could the Dragons actually be Dinosaurs? seeing as how there were no "Dinosaurs" before 1841 when the word was invented but perhaps Dinosaurs existed and were called Dragons? Now of course who wants to live next door to a humongous animal no matter what its diet? most of these dinosaurs were hunted to extinction in the 4000 years after Noah's flood in the christian bible for their meat and for people who wanted to be a hero for generations....now of course there are probably under 50-100 "Dragons" or "Dinosaurs" left in the world but could they be the sea monsters of Loch Ness? and many other lakes?

What?

Ok, a word is a word. Just because someone called the strange petrified bones dinosaur bones that does not make them start being at that point of time. As far back as at least the Greek empire they were pulling up dinosaur bones. They just put them together the wrong way and into creatures fitting the myths of their time.

But on the main question: No, I don't think the dinosaurs are still alive. But I do agree the finding of the bones is where dragon tells come from. As for loch ness. There are a number of fish and other small creatures there. But not a "Nessie" what ever you believe she is.

And as for time every one knows time started on "Monday, January 1, 4713 BC". Just kidding. But that is 0 for most calendars.
more on that
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/JulianDate.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Date

And the trouble with finding the start of time, the earth was molten for a long time and over time melts and remakes newer rocks. So when we tried to find the "oldest" rocks we have a stop time.

as in here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_surface_rock

So that is as good as we can do for now.

Jishdefish · Post by **Jishdefish** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:31 am

I have a question let's see if anyone has an answer: Why do scientists think that the center of the earth is SOLID metal, and that the outer core is LIQUID metal. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

+ Silver - Orbs + · Post by **+ Silver - Orbs +** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:37 pm

Jishdefish wrote:I have a question let's see if anyone has an answer: Why do scientists think that the center of the earth is SOLID metal, and that the outer core is LIQUID metal. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Because the pressure pushing down onto the Inner core would have compacted it together. Placing a couple of thousand tonnes (give or take a few million) ontop of something liquid tends to have that effect

Makla · Post by **Makla** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:52 pm

okay, i'm going to leave a warning of my own. my statements tend to be very contraverstial indeed so if you believe in god and everything in the bible, i apologize beforehand.

i think the whole idea of the loch ness monster is crap. same as the ideas of ufos and bigfoot are crap. these are things brought up in the human mind to give answers to questions that nobody could answer. this goes the same for god. when things happen that can't be explained, they call it an act of god. Humans need to feel that they have a purpose, that they where 'put' on this earth for a reason. The idea of us just kinda coming into being as a fluke of evolution is just too inconcievable for most people. We are afraid of the unknown. We fear death and the fact that, after that, there is nothing. We like the comfort the idea brings that we continue to live on.
because of this, humans have taken to making real life fantasys, such as the loch ness monster. someone, once upon a time, saw a curious reptile. could have been an alligator, who knows. but a reptile that wasn't supposed to be there. he told the story. he told it some more. and every time the story was told, the reptile got a little bigger. this story is then told by others who also enlarge the tale. ever play that game telephone? same concept. this is how the stories in the bible became the way they are. nobody recorded them for a while so they were just told. everyone adds their own ideas and thoughts and beliefs to the story once it is in their possesion and then passes it all to the next. soon enough, the wide populace believed that there was some gigantic monster living in this small, uninhabitable lake. the tale is fed by yoohoos that go and make fake photo graphs and spread stories of when they saw the creature. people who want to believe there is a monster, make it become real but only in their minds. they take pictures of rocks on the bottom of the lake and, because that is what they are looking for, they see a face or a fin.
it's all a big fluke and i feel sorry for the bozos and dipheads that fall for such crap

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