HEATED DEBATE!!! FATE OR FREE WILL???
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:14 pm
This is one of those life altering questions, so what better way to degrade it then by myself making it into a poll question, and by later changing the subject???
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:47 pm
how about your free will determines your fate? sort of makes sense, though it ends up turning into fate determining fate, but it's all based on your free will.
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:07 pm
That makes sense, but in a way, it could theoretically never be possible...
If, for instance, the world were to end with the Earth being flooded by a mad scientists water making device, than free will would dictate over fate, as the Earth's ultimate demise is suppossed to involve fire...
However, if the mad scientist were to invent a device that hurls the Earth into the Sun, than fate would dictate over free will. The mad scientist might THINK that he's in control of his own destiny, but really he's under the influence...OF FATE!!!
If, for instance, the world were to end with the Earth being flooded by a mad scientists water making device, than free will would dictate over fate, as the Earth's ultimate demise is suppossed to involve fire...
However, if the mad scientist were to invent a device that hurls the Earth into the Sun, than fate would dictate over free will. The mad scientist might THINK that he's in control of his own destiny, but really he's under the influence...OF FATE!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:03 pm
So you are saying time has nothing to do with fate? i would think fate would have a certain time it occures.
If the fate of the earth is to be distroyed in 2012, but your mad scientist distroyes it earlier(in the same way as in 2012), is it still fate? or is it now free will?
It could be the fate of everyone else but the scientist, and only the free will of the scientist.
If the fate of the earth is to be distroyed in 2012, but your mad scientist distroyes it earlier(in the same way as in 2012), is it still fate? or is it now free will?
It could be the fate of everyone else but the scientist, and only the free will of the scientist.
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:15 pm
If it is destroyed earlier, despite whether or not it was done in the same way, it is still free will, since fate would have said that it was to be destroyed in 2012...
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:57 pm
can there be more than one fate at the same time, such as it is his fate is to change our fate, or would that be the same fate?
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:06 am
The matter of fate vs. free will can only be veiwed as an opinion...
There is no way that a greater being would allow us to see into his grand plan, for that would be knowing and understanding everything...
However, what you mentioned below is the same as fate, as there can only be one ultimate fate...
Dealing withthe matter of free will is much more sensitive, as one persons free will both directly and inderectly affect everyone else's...
For instance, if a person decides to go to Rodney's instead of Wal-mart, they might see some canned oysters on the shelf, and decide to get them, where had they gone to Wal-mart, they would have missed the isle that they were in completely. The person might go home and eat the shelfish, causing them to get sick, which would in turn make him miss his cousin's bachelor party, where he would have met his future wife. Had he married her, they might decide to have children, and one of those children could be the great great grandmother of the next antichrist, who would be so extreme that he inevertibly causes the extinction of the human race, allowing dragons to inherit the Earth!!!
There is no way that a greater being would allow us to see into his grand plan, for that would be knowing and understanding everything...
However, what you mentioned below is the same as fate, as there can only be one ultimate fate...
Dealing withthe matter of free will is much more sensitive, as one persons free will both directly and inderectly affect everyone else's...
For instance, if a person decides to go to Rodney's instead of Wal-mart, they might see some canned oysters on the shelf, and decide to get them, where had they gone to Wal-mart, they would have missed the isle that they were in completely. The person might go home and eat the shelfish, causing them to get sick, which would in turn make him miss his cousin's bachelor party, where he would have met his future wife. Had he married her, they might decide to have children, and one of those children could be the great great grandmother of the next antichrist, who would be so extreme that he inevertibly causes the extinction of the human race, allowing dragons to inherit the Earth!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:16 am
if only the dragons could come without everyone having to die...
56th post! YAY FOR ME!!!
56th post! YAY FOR ME!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:24 am
Good job 56...
But the point I'm trying to get across is that it is both impossible to tell what is influencing us, and that it is an opinion to say that either exists...
Actually, for that matter, everything is an opinion...
But the point I'm trying to get across is that it is both impossible to tell what is influencing us, and that it is an opinion to say that either exists...
Actually, for that matter, everything is an opinion...
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:08 pm
Ahah I have made this debate a tie!! 
Oh and Firuweata I haven't forgot about my promise to ejit you!!!
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Oh and Firuweata I haven't forgot about my promise to ejit you!!!
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:12 pm
I'm wearing a Kryptonic helmet, so not even Superman can enter my brain!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:00 pm
the subject has been changed, how suprising.
and congrats to Firuweata for accuratly predicting such an event at the begining of this thread.
and congrats to Firuweata for accuratly predicting such an event at the begining of this thread.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:48 pm
I know me...
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:03 pm
Kriptonite gives you cancer!! For more info ask Lex Luthor... 
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:52 am
my telepathic waves can reach into ur mind still so i can make u take off the helmet so that jishdefihs can ejit u
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:25 pm
It is just fate that you will get ejited....
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:47 pm
Yeah, I know how Lex Luthor got cancer... I think it was blood, right???
Anyway, +10 points to Jishdefish for remembering that...
And I am so well protected psychicly, that I challenge you to try and enter my mind without forever unwillingly being withdrawn back into yours, causing you to remain a vegetable for the rest of your life...
Anyway, +10 points to Jishdefish for remembering that...
And I am so well protected psychicly, that I challenge you to try and enter my mind without forever unwillingly being withdrawn back into yours, causing you to remain a vegetable for the rest of your life...
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:43 pm
Was it fate that said Luther was going to get cancer or his own pathitic free will?
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:12 pm
A thought occurs...
What if everything we do is free will, but it falls into a grander scheme of things called fate???
And Kojack, it was his free will to carry the Kryptonite around...
What if everything we do is free will, but it falls into a grander scheme of things called fate???
And Kojack, it was his free will to carry the Kryptonite around...
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:06 pm
true firuweata but it could have been the fate sisters that decreed that he would choose to carry the kryptonite around and get cancer
....u kno like how in the bible it says that we have the choice to choose between good and evil but yet god already knos wuts going to happen to us
....u kno like how in the bible it says that we have the choice to choose between good and evil but yet god already knos wuts going to happen to us
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:06 pm
I dunno, I have mixed opinions on this...
On one hand, He could let us have free will, and know each and every person so well, that he knows what's going to happen before it does...
On the other hand, we might all be under the influence of fate, and him realizing we wouldn't like that, he told us that we have free will, when relly everything we do is predetermined...
On one hand, He could let us have free will, and know each and every person so well, that he knows what's going to happen before it does...
On the other hand, we might all be under the influence of fate, and him realizing we wouldn't like that, he told us that we have free will, when relly everything we do is predetermined...
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:26 pm
free will is just an illusion; I mean the government tells you what to do and even can manupulate you at will
FIGHT THE POWER
Sorry hippy moment....moment over.
FIGHT THE POWER
Sorry hippy moment....moment over.